Hi Phil<br /><br />been on the roof all day today without any success <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/default/frown.gif" /> <br />tried all methods and it was a no go i just have to many trees and buildings in the way just doesnt let me pick up nothing of a signal <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/default/frown.gif" /> <br /><br />ohh well know of any other ku band satellites that i can use my unused ku band dish for a few extra channels??<br /><br />Thanks