Well I have to say Im a foster carer and we are under attack from docs regarding our own son who by the way is guardianship since brith. It is true they bring the worst out in 'normal' people. How one defines normal is beyond me but there is a culture among them where they stick together at all costs. We have met lovely parents over the years and have wondered why on earth the department or what right they have had to become involved in these peole's lifes. It is a horrid practice they continue to do and I for one would never trust them and I have worked within and with them for a number of years... Love this forum and my heart goes out to all of you that has had to put up with this injustice of your basic rights as a human being. Celeb